{"id":123,"date":"2014-02-27T21:16:27","date_gmt":"2014-02-27T21:16:27","guid":{"rendered":"https:\/\/knight-devel.colorado.edu\/wordpress\/?p=123"},"modified":"2025-07-31T12:53:40","modified_gmt":"2025-07-31T19:53:40","slug":"could-detectives-use-microbes-to-solve-murders","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/knightlab.ucsd.edu\/?p=123","title":{"rendered":"Could detectives use microbes to solve murders?"},"content":{"rendered":"<p dir=\"ltr\"><span style=\"color: #999999;\"><a style=\"color: #999999;\" href=\"https:\/\/www.npr.org\/sections\/health-shots\/2013\/09\/23\/219375086\/could-detectives-use-microbes-to-solve-murders\/\">Rob, Jess, and Sybil Bucheli of Sam Houston State University talk to NPR about their forensic work. (September 23, 2013)<\/a><\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"color: #999999;\">In the woods outside Huntsville, Texas, scientists are trying to determine whether they can use the microbes that live on the human body as microscopic witnesses that could help catch criminals.<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"color: #999999;\">It&#8217;s a strange scene at the <a style=\"color: #999999;\" href=\"http:\/\/www.shsu.edu\/%7Estafs\/\">Southeast Texas Applied Forensic Science Facility<\/a>. At first, it&#8217;s easy to miss the human bodies scattered among the tall pines, wild grass and weeds.<\/span><\/p>\n<div id=\"res221132046\" class=\"bucketwrap image medium\">\n<div class=\"imagewrap has-source-dimensions\" data-crop-type=\"\"><span style=\"color: #999999;\"><picture><source class=\"img\" srcset=\"https:\/\/media.npr.org\/assets\/img\/2013\/09\/10\/20130417_npr_hunsville0300-8976c86127e955e16a05334aad3d2ee5d237ffab.jpg?s=200&amp;c=85&amp;f=webp%20200w,https:\/\/media.npr.org\/assets\/img\/2013\/09\/10\/20130417_npr_hunsville0300-8976c86127e955e16a05334aad3d2ee5d237ffab.jpg?s=300&amp;c=85&amp;f=webp%20300w,https:\/\/media.npr.org\/assets\/img\/2013\/09\/10\/20130417_npr_hunsville0300-8976c86127e955e16a05334aad3d2ee5d237ffab.jpg?s=400&amp;c=85&amp;f=webp%20400w,https:\/\/media.npr.org\/assets\/img\/2013\/09\/10\/20130417_npr_hunsville0300-8976c86127e955e16a05334aad3d2ee5d237ffab.jpg?s=600&amp;c=85&amp;f=webp%20600w,https:\/\/media.npr.org\/assets\/img\/2013\/09\/10\/20130417_npr_hunsville0300-8976c86127e955e16a05334aad3d2ee5d237ffab.jpg?s=800&amp;c=85&amp;f=webp%20800w,https:\/\/media.npr.org\/assets\/img\/2013\/09\/10\/20130417_npr_hunsville0300-8976c86127e955e16a05334aad3d2ee5d237ffab.jpg?s=1200&amp;c=85&amp;f=webp%201200w,https:\/\/media.npr.org\/assets\/img\/2013\/09\/10\/20130417_npr_hunsville0300-8976c86127e955e16a05334aad3d2ee5d237ffab.jpg?s=1600&amp;c=85&amp;f=webp%201600w\" type=\"image\/webp\" sizes=\"(min-width: 1350px) 298px, (min-width: 1025px) calc(((100vw - 365px)\/3) - 30px), (min-width: 768px) calc(((100vw - 30px)\/3) - 30px), calc(100vw - 30px)\" data-template=\"https:\/\/media.npr.org\/assets\/img\/2013\/09\/10\/20130417_npr_hunsville0300-8976c86127e955e16a05334aad3d2ee5d237ffab.jpg?s={width}&amp;c={quality}&amp;f={format}\" \/><source class=\"img\" srcset=\"https:\/\/media.npr.org\/assets\/img\/2013\/09\/10\/20130417_npr_hunsville0300-8976c86127e955e16a05334aad3d2ee5d237ffab.jpg?s=200&amp;c=85&amp;f=jpeg%20200w,https:\/\/media.npr.org\/assets\/img\/2013\/09\/10\/20130417_npr_hunsville0300-8976c86127e955e16a05334aad3d2ee5d237ffab.jpg?s=300&amp;c=85&amp;f=jpeg%20300w,https:\/\/media.npr.org\/assets\/img\/2013\/09\/10\/20130417_npr_hunsville0300-8976c86127e955e16a05334aad3d2ee5d237ffab.jpg?s=400&amp;c=85&amp;f=jpeg%20400w,https:\/\/media.npr.org\/assets\/img\/2013\/09\/10\/20130417_npr_hunsville0300-8976c86127e955e16a05334aad3d2ee5d237ffab.jpg?s=600&amp;c=85&amp;f=jpeg%20600w,https:\/\/media.npr.org\/assets\/img\/2013\/09\/10\/20130417_npr_hunsville0300-8976c86127e955e16a05334aad3d2ee5d237ffab.jpg?s=800&amp;c=85&amp;f=jpeg%20800w,https:\/\/media.npr.org\/assets\/img\/2013\/09\/10\/20130417_npr_hunsville0300-8976c86127e955e16a05334aad3d2ee5d237ffab.jpg?s=1200&amp;c=85&amp;f=jpeg%201200w,https:\/\/media.npr.org\/assets\/img\/2013\/09\/10\/20130417_npr_hunsville0300-8976c86127e955e16a05334aad3d2ee5d237ffab.jpg?s=1600&amp;c=85&amp;f=jpeg%201600w\" type=\"image\/jpeg\" sizes=\"(min-width: 1350px) 298px, (min-width: 1025px) calc(((100vw - 365px)\/3) - 30px), (min-width: 768px) calc(((100vw - 30px)\/3) - 30px), calc(100vw - 30px)\" data-template=\"https:\/\/media.npr.org\/assets\/img\/2013\/09\/10\/20130417_npr_hunsville0300-8976c86127e955e16a05334aad3d2ee5d237ffab.jpg?s={width}&amp;c={quality}&amp;f={format}\" \/><img decoding=\"async\" class=\"img\" src=\"https:\/\/media.npr.org\/assets\/img\/2013\/09\/10\/20130417_npr_hunsville0300-8976c86127e955e16a05334aad3d2ee5d237ffab.jpg?s=1100&amp;c=50&amp;f=jpeg\" alt=\"\" data-template=\"https:\/\/media.npr.org\/assets\/img\/2013\/09\/10\/20130417_npr_hunsville0300-8976c86127e955e16a05334aad3d2ee5d237ffab.jpg?s={width}&amp;c={quality}&amp;f={format}\" \/><\/picture><\/span>\n<div class=\"enlarge-options\">\u00a0<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"credit-caption\">\n<div class=\"caption-wrap\">\n<div class=\"caption\" aria-label=\"Image caption\">\n<p><span style=\"color: #999999;\">Jessica Metcalf, a microbial ecologist at the University of Colorado, says the mapping of changes in bacteria on human remains at the facility in southeastern Texas &#8220;is really pushing the envelope of microbial forensic science.&#8221;<\/span><\/p>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<span class=\"credit\" style=\"color: #999999;\" aria-label=\"Image credit\">Katie Hayes Luke for NPR<\/span><\/div>\n<\/div>\n<p><span style=\"color: #999999;\">&#8220;We hope microbes can tell crime scene investigators how long a person has been dead,&#8221; <a style=\"color: #999999;\" href=\"http:\/\/www.shsu.edu\/%7Ebio_www\/bucheli.html\">Sibyl Bucheli<\/a> of Sam Houston State University explains, as she leads a group of researchers and visitors from NPR through a tall, chain-link fence surrounding the facility and down a dusty path to her research plot.<\/span><\/p>\n<p>&nbsp;<\/p>\n<p><span style=\"color: #999999;\">The facility is one of the few places where, in the interest of developing new tools for forensic science, researchers can leave human bodies out in the open to study what happens as the remains decompose.<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"color: #999999;\">Bucheli is an entomologist who has spent years studying the ways insects on a body can help pinpoint how long a murder victim has been dead. Knowing how long it takes a particular species of fly to complete its life cycle from egg to larva to pupa to winged insect, for example, can help an investigator figure out how long a corpse has been exposed to the insects, establishing a minimum time since death.<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"color: #999999;\">That got Bucheli thinking. &#8220;If insects change through time, then so do bacteria,&#8221; she says. &#8220;And if insects can be used, so can the bacteria.&#8221;<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"color: #999999;\">It&#8217;s possible, she says, that <a style=\"color: #999999;\" href=\"http:\/\/dx.plos.org\/10.1371\/journal.pone.0077733\">information from bacteria<\/a> could improve the accuracy of these time-of-death estimates. The microbes might also be useful when insects aren&#8217;t present, she says, helping to determine how long a person has been dead, when insects aren&#8217;t available to do that.<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"color: #999999;\">Such research is just in the beginning stages, but already, a scientific team at the University of Colorado has been able to use bacteria alone to narrow down how long a mouse has been dead to within three days.<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"color: #999999;\">&#8220;We&#8217;re really pushing the envelope of microbial forensic science,&#8221; says microbial ecologist <a style=\"color: #999999;\" href=\"http:\/\/www.colorado.edu\/gsearch\/people\/Jessica%20Metcalf\">Jessica Metcal<\/a>f, a member of that Colorado team. She and her boss, microbiome researcher <a style=\"color: #999999;\" href=\"https:\/\/knightlab.colorado.edu\/\">Rob Knight<\/a>, have come to the forensics facility in southeastern Texas to collaborate with Bucheli, hoping to do with human bodies <a style=\"color: #999999;\" href=\"http:\/\/dx.doi.org\/10.7554\/eLife.01104\">what they did in the mice<\/a>.<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"color: #999999;\">One of the first tasks the day we visit is placing three fresh bodies in the woods. A small tractor pulls up, carrying the first body inside a blue plastic body bag. Three men lift the body off the tractor and place it on the ground. They unzip the bag and carefully unwrap the white sheet that swaddles the cadaver.<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"color: #999999;\">&#8220;We want to do this as respectfully as possible,&#8221; Bucheli says.<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"color: #999999;\">It&#8217;s a difficult moment. Corpses that have been in the field a little longer look like mummies, barely recognizable as human. The new remains are from people who have only recently died and donated their bodies for scientific research. Bucheli is clearly moved. She pauses briefly for what she calls her &#8220;thank-you moment.&#8221;<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"color: #999999;\">&#8220;I&#8217;m deeply appreciative of the people who make my research possible &#8230; all of them,&#8221; she says.<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"color: #999999;\">The scientists mark each body&#8217;s position with a metal post and then begin several hours of intense work, meticulously gathering dozens of samples of bacteria.<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"color: #999999;\">They carefully scrape the skin in the same spots on each body and methodically scoop up dirt from precise locations near the remains. Their plan is to come back day after day, month after month, to sample these exact spots, to figure out if, over time, the communities of bacteria in these various spots change in predictable ways as time passes and the remains decompose.<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"color: #999999;\">&#8220;We&#8217;re looking for a microbial clock,&#8221; Metcalf says. A clock like that could be used as a reference tool in forensic investigations.<\/span><\/p>\n<aside id=\"ad-third-wrap\" class=\"ad-wrap third visible\" aria-label=\"advertisement\">\n<div class=\"ad-header \"><span style=\"color: #999999;\">Sponsor Message<\/span><\/div>\n<div class=\"ad-config-wrap\">\n<div id=\"ad-third-News\" class=\"ad-config ad-third has-refresh-enabled\" data-ad-config=\"{&quot;network&quot;:&quot;\\\/6735\\\/&quot;,&quot;zone&quot;:&quot;News&quot;,&quot;targets&quot;:{&quot;testserver&quot;:&quot;false&quot;,&quot;isPodcastEpisode&quot;:&quot;false&quot;,&quot;storyId&quot;:&quot;219375086&quot;,&quot;program&quot;:&quot;All_Things_Considered&quot;,&quot;agg&quot;:[&quot;218987212&quot;,&quot;1090&quot;,&quot;165644871&quot;,&quot;103537970&quot;],&quot;blog&quot;:&quot;103537970&quot;},&quot;site&quot;:{&quot;desktop&quot;:&quot;NPRThird&quot;,&quot;mobile&quot;:&quot;NPRMobileThird&quot;},&quot;location&quot;:&quot;third&quot;,&quot;deferred&quot;:false,&quot;isBetweenContent&quot;:true,&quot;overflowCount&quot;:null,&quot;hasRefreshEnabled&quot;:true,&quot;isOutstreamVideoEnabled&quot;:false}\" data-google-query-id=\"CNLJ8evu544DFYk0RAgdt6IM0g\" data-refresh-count=\"1\" data-is-awaiting-refresh=\"true\">\n<div id=\"google_ads_iframe_\/6735\/NPRThird\/News_0__container__\"><iframe name=\"google_ads_iframe_\/6735\/NPRThird\/News_0\" width=\"300\" height=\"250\" frameborder=\"0\" scrolling=\"no\" marginheight=\"0\" marginwidth=\"0\" aria-label=\"Advertisement\" data-load-complete=\"true\" data-google-container-id=\"4\" data-mce-fragment=\"1\"><\/iframe><\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"ad-footer \">\u00a0<\/div>\n<\/aside>\n<p><span style=\"color: #999999;\">Microbes might one day help police in other ways, too, the scientists say. The population of bacteria on a person who died of natural causes, for example, might look different than the bacteria on someone who was beaten to death.<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"color: #999999;\">And because different varieties of microbes are found in different places, the bacterial census of a corpse might show whether a body has been killed in one place and then dumped in another. Microbes might also help police who are searching for unmarked graves.<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"color: #999999;\">&#8220;If you suspected that there&#8217;s a body buried in a certain field, can you just swab little bits of soil and say, &#8216;Oh this particular area has microbial organisms that we usually find associated with a decomposing corpse?&#8217; &#8221; Metcalf asks. That&#8217;s the sort of question she and Bucheli hope their work will help answer.<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"color: #999999;\">And that&#8217;s not all. Knight says he thinks microbes could one day provide for each of us a kind of microbial fingerprint that could help police solve all sorts of crimes while we&#8217;re alive, as well as after we&#8217;re dead.<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"color: #999999;\">Back on campus, Knight demonstrates how it works. He pops open a small plastic vial, grabs a cotton swab and pulls out his laptop to test the keyboard.<\/span><\/p>\n<div id=\"res219737311\" class=\"bucketwrap image medium\">\n<div class=\"imagewrap has-source-dimensions\" data-crop-type=\"\"><span style=\"color: #999999;\"><picture><source class=\"img\" srcset=\"https:\/\/media.npr.org\/assets\/img\/2013\/09\/06\/20130417_npr_hunsville0375-8ea0bc79edb9a35f34bd70160464908238e30d1e.jpg?s=200&amp;c=85&amp;f=webp%20200w,https:\/\/media.npr.org\/assets\/img\/2013\/09\/06\/20130417_npr_hunsville0375-8ea0bc79edb9a35f34bd70160464908238e30d1e.jpg?s=300&amp;c=85&amp;f=webp%20300w,https:\/\/media.npr.org\/assets\/img\/2013\/09\/06\/20130417_npr_hunsville0375-8ea0bc79edb9a35f34bd70160464908238e30d1e.jpg?s=400&amp;c=85&amp;f=webp%20400w,https:\/\/media.npr.org\/assets\/img\/2013\/09\/06\/20130417_npr_hunsville0375-8ea0bc79edb9a35f34bd70160464908238e30d1e.jpg?s=600&amp;c=85&amp;f=webp%20600w,https:\/\/media.npr.org\/assets\/img\/2013\/09\/06\/20130417_npr_hunsville0375-8ea0bc79edb9a35f34bd70160464908238e30d1e.jpg?s=800&amp;c=85&amp;f=webp%20800w,https:\/\/media.npr.org\/assets\/img\/2013\/09\/06\/20130417_npr_hunsville0375-8ea0bc79edb9a35f34bd70160464908238e30d1e.jpg?s=1200&amp;c=85&amp;f=webp%201200w,https:\/\/media.npr.org\/assets\/img\/2013\/09\/06\/20130417_npr_hunsville0375-8ea0bc79edb9a35f34bd70160464908238e30d1e.jpg?s=1600&amp;c=85&amp;f=webp%201600w\" type=\"image\/webp\" sizes=\"(min-width: 1350px) 298px, (min-width: 1025px) calc(((100vw - 365px)\/3) - 30px), (min-width: 768px) calc(((100vw - 30px)\/3) - 30px), calc(100vw - 30px)\" data-template=\"https:\/\/media.npr.org\/assets\/img\/2013\/09\/06\/20130417_npr_hunsville0375-8ea0bc79edb9a35f34bd70160464908238e30d1e.jpg?s={width}&amp;c={quality}&amp;f={format}\" \/><source class=\"img\" srcset=\"https:\/\/media.npr.org\/assets\/img\/2013\/09\/06\/20130417_npr_hunsville0375-8ea0bc79edb9a35f34bd70160464908238e30d1e.jpg?s=200&amp;c=85&amp;f=jpeg%20200w,https:\/\/media.npr.org\/assets\/img\/2013\/09\/06\/20130417_npr_hunsville0375-8ea0bc79edb9a35f34bd70160464908238e30d1e.jpg?s=300&amp;c=85&amp;f=jpeg%20300w,https:\/\/media.npr.org\/assets\/img\/2013\/09\/06\/20130417_npr_hunsville0375-8ea0bc79edb9a35f34bd70160464908238e30d1e.jpg?s=400&amp;c=85&amp;f=jpeg%20400w,https:\/\/media.npr.org\/assets\/img\/2013\/09\/06\/20130417_npr_hunsville0375-8ea0bc79edb9a35f34bd70160464908238e30d1e.jpg?s=600&amp;c=85&amp;f=jpeg%20600w,https:\/\/media.npr.org\/assets\/img\/2013\/09\/06\/20130417_npr_hunsville0375-8ea0bc79edb9a35f34bd70160464908238e30d1e.jpg?s=800&amp;c=85&amp;f=jpeg%20800w,https:\/\/media.npr.org\/assets\/img\/2013\/09\/06\/20130417_npr_hunsville0375-8ea0bc79edb9a35f34bd70160464908238e30d1e.jpg?s=1200&amp;c=85&amp;f=jpeg%201200w,https:\/\/media.npr.org\/assets\/img\/2013\/09\/06\/20130417_npr_hunsville0375-8ea0bc79edb9a35f34bd70160464908238e30d1e.jpg?s=1600&amp;c=85&amp;f=jpeg%201600w\" type=\"image\/jpeg\" sizes=\"(min-width: 1350px) 298px, (min-width: 1025px) calc(((100vw - 365px)\/3) - 30px), (min-width: 768px) calc(((100vw - 30px)\/3) - 30px), calc(100vw - 30px)\" data-template=\"https:\/\/media.npr.org\/assets\/img\/2013\/09\/06\/20130417_npr_hunsville0375-8ea0bc79edb9a35f34bd70160464908238e30d1e.jpg?s={width}&amp;c={quality}&amp;f={format}\" \/><img decoding=\"async\" class=\"img\" src=\"https:\/\/media.npr.org\/assets\/img\/2013\/09\/06\/20130417_npr_hunsville0375-8ea0bc79edb9a35f34bd70160464908238e30d1e.jpg?s=1100&amp;c=50&amp;f=jpeg\" alt=\"\" data-template=\"https:\/\/media.npr.org\/assets\/img\/2013\/09\/06\/20130417_npr_hunsville0375-8ea0bc79edb9a35f34bd70160464908238e30d1e.jpg?s={width}&amp;c={quality}&amp;f={format}\" \/><\/picture><\/span><\/div>\n<div class=\"credit-caption\">\n<div class=\"caption-wrap\">\n<div class=\"caption\" aria-label=\"Image caption\">\n<p><span style=\"color: #999999;\">Already, Rob Knight, a microbiome researcher at the University of Colorado, has been able to use bacterial samples to link people to objects they&#8217;ve touched. One day, Knight says, a &#8220;microbial fingerprint&#8221; might prove useful in linking a suspect to a murder weapon or crime scene.<\/span><\/p>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<span class=\"credit\" style=\"color: #999999;\" aria-label=\"Image credit\">Katie Hayes Luke for NPR<\/span><\/div>\n<\/div>\n<p><span style=\"color: #999999;\">&#8220;You dip the Q-tip in the saline solution and you rub it thoroughly on the individual key,&#8221; he explains. The swab quickly turns a greasy brown.<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"color: #999999;\">&#8220;So what&#8217;s on there is a combination of finger grease, dust and bacteria &#8230; maybe as many as a billion,&#8221; Knight says. &#8220;Definitely enough to track it back to an individual.&#8221;<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"color: #999999;\">Knight has been able to use an analysis of these communities of bacteria to match people to objects they&#8217;ve touched. So microbes might be able to do things like link a suspect to a murder weapon or the scene of the crime, he says.<\/span><\/p>\n<aside id=\"ad-overflow-3-wrap\" class=\"ad-wrap overflow visible\" aria-label=\"advertisement\">\n<div class=\"ad-header \">\u00a0<\/div>\n<div class=\"ad-config-wrap\">\n<div id=\"ad-overflow-3-News\" class=\"ad-config ad-overflow-3 has-refresh-enabled\" data-ad-config=\"{&quot;network&quot;:&quot;\\\/6735\\\/&quot;,&quot;zone&quot;:&quot;News&quot;,&quot;targets&quot;:{&quot;testserver&quot;:&quot;false&quot;,&quot;isPodcastEpisode&quot;:&quot;false&quot;,&quot;storyId&quot;:&quot;219375086&quot;,&quot;program&quot;:&quot;All_Things_Considered&quot;,&quot;agg&quot;:[&quot;218987212&quot;,&quot;1090&quot;,&quot;165644871&quot;,&quot;103537970&quot;],&quot;blog&quot;:&quot;103537970&quot;},&quot;site&quot;:{&quot;desktop&quot;:&quot;NPROverflow&quot;,&quot;mobile&quot;:&quot;NPRMobileOverflow&quot;},&quot;location&quot;:&quot;overflow&quot;,&quot;deferred&quot;:false,&quot;isBetweenContent&quot;:true,&quot;overflowCount&quot;:3,&quot;hasRefreshEnabled&quot;:true,&quot;isOutstreamVideoEnabled&quot;:false}\" data-google-query-id=\"CJeq--vu544DFYk0RAgdt6IM0g\" data-refresh-count=\"1\">\n<div id=\"google_ads_iframe_\/6735\/NPROverflow\/News_0__container__\"><span style=\"color: #999999;\">&#8220;There are a lot of cases where it&#8217;s clear that the suspect touched something but you don&#8217;t have a print you can use off it,&#8221; Knight says.<\/span><\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/aside>\n<p><span style=\"color: #999999;\">He even thinks that analyzing the different communities of microbes on peoples&#8217; bodies might eventually prove to be a useful tool for tracking an individual&#8217;s movements \u2014 to see if the person had recently returned from Afghanistan or been in Boston, for example.<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"color: #999999;\">All of this, Bucheli hopes, will one day help answer the most important question for the families of victims: Who is responsible?<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"color: #999999;\">&#8220;I&#8217;m somebody&#8217;s mom,&#8221; Bucheli says. &#8220;I&#8217;m somebody&#8217;s sister. You always think about: Who? Who did this?&#8221;<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"color: #999999;\">Now, no one yet knows how much of this research will prove useful in forensics. Most practical applications are likely years away. But it&#8217;s already clear that some of these techniques will likely raise lots of questions \u2014 about privacy, civil liberties and how much we want our microbes to reveal about ourselves.<\/span><\/p>\n<p>&nbsp;<\/p>\n\n\n<p><\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>Rob, Jess, and Sybil Bucheli of Sam Houston State University talk to NPR about their forensic work. 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